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as greg mentioned the anc is going through a very tumultuous period. and mandela was their symbol of hope. >> a lot to ask you, but i believe the secretary of united nations is talking about the passing of nelson mandela. >> aspirations of the united nations. he shows what is possible for our world, and we didn't within each one of us, if we believe, a three man work together for justice and humanity. he is more decisive, in dismantling the system of apartheid. he marched from detention without rancor. i was privileged to meet nelson mandela in february 2009. he insisted the credit belonged to others. i will never forget his selflessness, and deep sense of shared purpose. on behalf of the united nations, i extend my deepest condolences to his family, the people of south africa, and indeed our global family. let us continue each day to be inspired by nelson mandela's life long example, to keep walking or a better and just world. thank you. the u.n. secretary general offering his thoughts on the passing of the former south african president. morgan, you
as greg mentioned the anc is going through a very tumultuous period. and mandela was their symbol of hope. >> a lot to ask you, but i believe the secretary of united nations is talking about the passing of nelson mandela. >> aspirations of the united nations. he shows what is possible for our world, and we didn't within each one of us, if we believe, a three man work together for justice and humanity. he is more decisive, in dismantling the system of apartheid. he marched from...
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and the way in which they kept the anc down, was the suppression of cocainism act. so you can arrest anybody in south africa, without charge, and hold them in jail without being charged at all. and then they got out of jail at a certain amount of time, maybe 30 days and you could arrest them, and arrest theft gem on the suspicion of being communist. they convinced everybody that can't have communists running around, and that's how they made these racist laws work and work, and his comrades as he called them, worked around that. and they persisted. as thomas says, of something that looked like it would never change is the hallmark of these anc men and women. that you would never seen pictures like this. >> in the old days you would have been arrested for have blacks and whites arm in arm chanting in the street, couldn't do that. >> as we get closer to the top of the hour here, and we rescap where we are on this day, for the nation of sought africa, and ink deed, the world. nelson mandela, the father of the modern south africa has passed away, 95 years old, and this i
and the way in which they kept the anc down, was the suppression of cocainism act. so you can arrest anybody in south africa, without charge, and hold them in jail without being charged at all. and then they got out of jail at a certain amount of time, maybe 30 days and you could arrest them, and arrest theft gem on the suspicion of being communist. they convinced everybody that can't have communists running around, and that's how they made these racist laws work and work, and his comrades as...
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you are alluding to those poverty shortages, anc corruption scandals. but the lose of nelson mandela will be a huge void, won't it, which is bringing people together right now as they remember his achievements. i just give you an example of a void he crossed. it was the 1999 world cup, the final match between south africa and new zealand when nelson mandela took to the field in the rugby jersey. i was there at the first match when south africa played australia. there was a stadium full of 65,000 white bull necked afrikaanas, frankly. no black face, very few indian. rugby was a white man's sport. i was sitting with nelson mandela. he went on to the ground to toss the coin. almost immediately there was a chant, "nelson mandela, nelson mandela" and i realised who was going on. i realised it was a huge outpouring of affection and genuine respect of this man, who they had previously totally vilified. i realised then, this was a spine-tingling moment what the measure of this man's achievement had been. i think it's the legacy for all the difficulties. they ar
you are alluding to those poverty shortages, anc corruption scandals. but the lose of nelson mandela will be a huge void, won't it, which is bringing people together right now as they remember his achievements. i just give you an example of a void he crossed. it was the 1999 world cup, the final match between south africa and new zealand when nelson mandela took to the field in the rugby jersey. i was there at the first match when south africa played australia. there was a stadium full of...
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there was a feeling that the anc was communist? >> i think so. there were many politicians in the united states and globally in western countries who felt that the anc was in fact an off shoot of the south african communist party. that it was affiliated with the larger com communist movement globally. i think they misunderstood history and they misunderstood the desire of black people across africa and southern after africa at the time to seek justice and equality for themselves on the same level. regrettably mr. will was wrong and as were a number of leading american politicians on the right who solved the anc as a communist organization. i would note just historically and it's very important fact that the anc which was established in 1905 predates by a decade and a half the establishment of the russian communist party. the struggle for equality based on the content of a person's character and not the color of his skin was the main driver for nelson mandela as it was for civil rights leader here in the united states. there is a join and conjunct
there was a feeling that the anc was communist? >> i think so. there were many politicians in the united states and globally in western countries who felt that the anc was in fact an off shoot of the south african communist party. that it was affiliated with the larger com communist movement globally. i think they misunderstood history and they misunderstood the desire of black people across africa and southern after africa at the time to seek justice and equality for themselves on the...
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he was for the policies which the anc buzz founded. test monday tutu said that it changed h imfrom an aggressive young militant, isn't it ironic that that terrible imprisonment may have forged him as the great leader he then became? >> i think most people forget that he was a great leader before he went into prison. i have been watching the reports on him, and they seem to forget the contributions he made all the things that he did before he went into jail. so he was a leader long before he went into prison. perhaps prison made him mellow a bit. until he saw that people needed to be defended. >> i would not -- i am sorry, he was really not violent, it was defense. he was never really violent. but he had preached nonviolence very very strongly, and it got to the point after a massacre and all sorts of things, defense, they felt they needed to take up arms in order to struggle against the white government that was still oppressing so many people, i didn't mean nit a pray othertive way, i understand what you are saying. but i guess my poi
he was for the policies which the anc buzz founded. test monday tutu said that it changed h imfrom an aggressive young militant, isn't it ironic that that terrible imprisonment may have forged him as the great leader he then became? >> i think most people forget that he was a great leader before he went into prison. i have been watching the reports on him, and they seem to forget the contributions he made all the things that he did before he went into jail. so he was a leader long before...
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in other words the 80% of the population that is black has voted overwhelmingly for the anc. the opposition party has been predominately white. so unless or until south africa breaks out of that particular mold, it is difficult to bring about rapid change. so is it too much to ask, the people in townships, is it too much to ask of the government, 20 years of afc rule, to have brought about the dramatic changes that have improved the lives of the people in the townships? >> two issues here. twenty-first is the overall rate of economic growth has been disappointing. it's a little over 3% a year, that's substantially less. than say in china. the second is the educational system has failed the population. for reasons can are obscure. not very similar. about a quarter of the country's budget is on education. that being the case, why isn't the delivery very much better. >> that's a question we ask here in the united states. >> we do. >> so -- no one wants to be thought of as being pessimistic, or apisms so what degree of optimism do you have for the future of south africa. >> oh, p
in other words the 80% of the population that is black has voted overwhelmingly for the anc. the opposition party has been predominately white. so unless or until south africa breaks out of that particular mold, it is difficult to bring about rapid change. so is it too much to ask, the people in townships, is it too much to ask of the government, 20 years of afc rule, to have brought about the dramatic changes that have improved the lives of the people in the townships? >> two issues...
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the policy of forgiveness reconsideration was always anc policy. so that it didn't take prison to do that. theory jet stream tried to plague down how badly it was treating the prisoners. this photograph was a staged event. >> you didn't know this was taken. >> no, we didn't know this was taken. >> the government was trying to make him think he was only doing light work, the prisoners had wondered why for one day only the laboring became easy, but it was to get tougher later, the laboring moved to what was an open lime quarry, 13 years of hard toll breaking rock, the dazzling reflection of white stone, damaging their eyesight. when they weren't laboring, they were sometimes allowed visits in this gloomy building, his second wife an activist herself came under a travel babb, one stage mandela waited two years between her visits. >> by regulation, there was a minimum of six months between each visit, and also by regulation, there was no contact. a screen between husband and wife, winny would sit on this side, the communication through a speaker. a max
the policy of forgiveness reconsideration was always anc policy. so that it didn't take prison to do that. theory jet stream tried to plague down how badly it was treating the prisoners. this photograph was a staged event. >> you didn't know this was taken. >> no, we didn't know this was taken. >> the government was trying to make him think he was only doing light work, the prisoners had wondered why for one day only the laboring became easy, but it was to get tougher later,...
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they belonged to the anc, the same organization. my grandmother was also a political leader within the anc. >> and your grandmother then also was close to him and visited him in prison, and nelson mandela wrote her. >> several times, and my grandmother would write back. she told me she wrote so many letters, some of which never reached him. a few made it all the way and she put them into a book. and after giving them to the archives. >> having visited him in prison where he suffered, he it tuberculosis, problems with his eyesight. she must have seen the suffering. what did she say or what do you think about how he left prison and had the grace and indignity to invite the gaolers. >> at this point i have to d admit when she came back i thought she'd come back with a message of fighting. let's continue the fight. she said, "you'll be surprised, my grandson, nelson mandela is going to tell us all to reconcile, shake hands with our former enemies." he is convinced he'll be released. she came back convinced the man had not changed. he wa
they belonged to the anc, the same organization. my grandmother was also a political leader within the anc. >> and your grandmother then also was close to him and visited him in prison, and nelson mandela wrote her. >> several times, and my grandmother would write back. she told me she wrote so many letters, some of which never reached him. a few made it all the way and she put them into a book. and after giving them to the archives. >> having visited him in prison where he...
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do you think this is the end of the anc of nelson mandela's party? >> it is not end but it is a moment of reconsideration i think for anc. they have to straz very wisely but they also have to put forward a much stronger set of policies if they want people to support them in the same way. >> brieflily you says nothing in because -- >> because a lot of south africans are going to support the anc. >> with nelson mandela on the top of everyone's mind. >> and the other parties are not offering people all that much alternatives. >> they are stuck with the anc? >> not stuck. but they keep returning the same political -- >> it has been in power a long:00, it is familiar. >> right but it has to do with the fact that the strength of the anc relies on its shapelessness amorphous -- it is a political party that offers people a bit of what they want, a little bit of left wing politics, a little bit of right wing and a little bit of the center and because of that special mix of the african national congress even when people are disgruntled with the party they stil
do you think this is the end of the anc of nelson mandela's party? >> it is not end but it is a moment of reconsideration i think for anc. they have to straz very wisely but they also have to put forward a much stronger set of policies if they want people to support them in the same way. >> brieflily you says nothing in because -- >> because a lot of south africans are going to support the anc. >> with nelson mandela on the top of everyone's mind. >> and the other...
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so they are kind of right now stopped with the anc? >> not stuck, but they just keep returning the same political. >> been in power for a long time, 20 years now. it is familiar? >> right but i think it's to do with the strength 69 anc lies in exactly almost it's shapelessness, sort of amorefus because it's a political party that offers nearly everybody what they want, left-wing, a little bit of right-wing and a little bit of the center. so, i think because of that spentb special mic of the national african con congress, they still find something in it that appeals to them. >> especially since it has accomplished great features? >> exactly. >> can't lose site of that? >> other political parties don't have as much of that historical mission, historical achievement? >> we will see what develops there. in the meantime, everyone is remembering their most pivotal leaders, nelson mandel a? >> i think that moment will last for a bit, that moment of rememberance and commemoration and, also, the value orizatiori 6r7b8ing9s thank you for being i
so they are kind of right now stopped with the anc? >> not stuck, but they just keep returning the same political. >> been in power for a long time, 20 years now. it is familiar? >> right but i think it's to do with the strength 69 anc lies in exactly almost it's shapelessness, sort of amorefus because it's a political party that offers nearly everybody what they want, left-wing, a little bit of right-wing and a little bit of the center. so, i think because of that spentb...
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>> well, the anc, the ruling party is the people's party. they have a lot of support. that said, people are questioning the before of some of the politicians, they are wondering where is the country going forward. the mining incident you spoke about, 16 august, when miners on strike were trying to call for higher wages. police aped fire. 34 were shot and killed. the pictures shocked the world. they remind us of the apartheid dates when white policemen would shoot black people who were prote protesti protesting, calling for equality. i think the main thing of concern for south africans is nelson mandela taught them or encouraged them to forgive, forget and move forward. issues of employment and equality. people are frustrated. we are talking 20 years since independence. now we see more people striking. they are basically saying, "what are you going do as a government. now that the moral compass has gone, can the leaders move the place forward and make it a prosperous place and realised the love nelson mandela had for his people. >> what is the state of - sorry to put it
>> well, the anc, the ruling party is the people's party. they have a lot of support. that said, people are questioning the before of some of the politicians, they are wondering where is the country going forward. the mining incident you spoke about, 16 august, when miners on strike were trying to call for higher wages. police aped fire. 34 were shot and killed. the pictures shocked the world. they remind us of the apartheid dates when white policemen would shoot black people who were...
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nelson mandela was dedicated to speak to a senior anc member at that particular time. other members of the anc were here. 50 years ago. the police raided the farm. many were arrested. we had the trial, the moment in the country's history, the scene of his very famous speech. among those who would have faced trial was harold wolkey. he fled overseas into exile. his son, nic nicholas is now the trustee and he joins me now. nicholas, what type of legacy do you think has been left by these giants like mandela and others? >> i think the legacy that they have left comes down to selfless sacrifice. the desire to bring about a change, putting their own needs, their own wants, their own desires second for the cause to insure that a better south africa, a democratic free south africa where all south africas are equal regardless of race creed religion. they are personified those ideals, they carried forward those ideals not only in word but in deed. to one where democracy and equality ruled. as mandela said, he wasn't going tgoing, he said i fight against white domination. i figh
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war and didn't have that significant blood shed and didn't have the call for revenge and in the new anc there are members and some younger who still want that, they want to take property back from whites in country and some are worried with mandela being gone less of a moderation of views. >> that is why he is a controversial figure and represents the future of anc and you see streets on the stadium and their names are being changed and some people who had english names on the streets that live for years and years are seeing the change happen and for some it's unsettling. >> this is a celebration and seeing more sadness now than you had earlier but it's here and hearing cheering in the background and we will be out here and we will keep on talking to people and we will send you back there in a few minutes. >> thank you, appreciate it, thank you very much. let's talk about what ali raised and morgan raised which is talking about south africa moving forward and also looking back as well. and you wanted to take issue with this idea of a civil war, right, in your mind, proud south african,
war and didn't have that significant blood shed and didn't have the call for revenge and in the new anc there are members and some younger who still want that, they want to take property back from whites in country and some are worried with mandela being gone less of a moderation of views. >> that is why he is a controversial figure and represents the future of anc and you see streets on the stadium and their names are being changed and some people who had english names on the streets...
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nelson mandela picked up that movement, at the anc. he was influenced by gandhi, and as that movement continues after gandhi went back to india, my family continues as part of the antiapartheid movement. and lost business as a result of they role. but we returned my family returned before the election, were were all given citizen ship. i am a sout african citizes well. and we have shared in this new beginning, which everybody looses hope in, but the fact is nelson mandela avoidedded a blood bath a civil war, and he create add remarkable nation. >> he spent time with the african national congress when it was in excite, stephen, give us your thoughts tonight. >> well, it is a very sad moment. this was a great man. it was true, in some ways her understated not just to dignity, and not just perseverance. but what he was able to exhibit when he took the country forward. there would be no rainbow nation today. i think he was essential for the progress of south africa to becoming what we would regard today as the civilized part of the world.
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i was surprised at how much i didn't know the more i started to uncover the struggles of the anc and the struggles of him personally with winnie and that was interesting. because i played him in the movie which was essentially about winnie mandela and i had no idea and i don't think anyone had any idea of all of these smiling shots of him coming out of prison he was going through a terrible time personally. she had kept his flame alive and he had kind of gone off the rails slightly and people in the anc said nelson you have to deal with this woman. he wroat al wrote all of these e letters and they wer he was goie out and they were going to be together. it was further from the truth. >> when you heard the news yesterday. >> i was deeply saddened. death comes to all us. i was really upset by it. and i it just so happened i was sitting in medema restaurant and i was stunned. here i was sitting looking at the walls full of pictures of mandela and he just passed. i think that was quite erie for me. i was sphruk by th struck by tht every single picture i was looking at he was smiling. that
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and people got judged on what their attitude was towards south africa and the anc. mandela help millions and millions of time set a moral campus about what they thought about the world. ♪ >> and because apartheid was so easy to understand rebel against anthems like this one were sung across all universities for years and years. would they choose to put the money in a bank with links to the south africa governments? would they support mu musicians who played music there. >> margaret thatcher used to describe mandela as a terrorist. most people would say nowadays that that puts her on the wrong side of history, and those who formed the anti-apartheid movement so many years ago are the ones being congratulated now. >> our former headquarters in london, it was the anti-apartheid movement that [ inaudible ] congress. >> some people say the struggle was supposed by so many in britain, because of white post colonial guilt. maybe that's true, but perhaps a lesson for the future as well as a story from that past. >>> let's bring youment some other news from europe now. at
and people got judged on what their attitude was towards south africa and the anc. mandela help millions and millions of time set a moral campus about what they thought about the world. ♪ >> and because apartheid was so easy to understand rebel against anthems like this one were sung across all universities for years and years. would they choose to put the money in a bank with links to the south africa governments? would they support mu musicians who played music there. >>...
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they called the anc a terrorist organization. however, democrats and republicans came together and imposed those sanctions as it was seen as a point of leverage trying to put some economic pressure on south africa to cf1 oapartheid and free nelson >> some real complexities there. libby casey thank you. ♪ >>> some encouraging news for jobs and the economy today, patricia sabga has the details of the much better than expected november employment reports. >> reporter: for the second straight month the u.s. job market showed signs of improve. the economy added 203,000 jobs in november lowering the unemployment rate to 7%. labor secretary says the numbers indicate the economic recovery is gaining strength. >> we have now had 45 consecutive months of private sector job growth to the tune of 8 million plus jobs. roorp while the numbers are encouraging, analysts say we still have a long way to go? >> to get to full employment we estimate the economy is going to have to create between 200 and 225,000 jobs per month for the next couple o
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and i think a lot of people are worried about what might come next, and whether the anc canment come back to its base, and come back to the values that he fought for. >> okay, jonah thanks very much for that. >>> while we did speak to people about mandela and what he meant to them after the memorial. >> what i have taken from it is that life is very short, but very long as well, and we need to stay focused, and we need to instill all of these values that he has left with us, and really, it's about the legacy just as everybody says. >> coming from all of the heads of state, all of them took time in their busy schedules to come and pay their respect. it means to me that he was man of people, and man of the world. >> mandela means very much a brave and powerful man, and he is a here you of south africa. >> let's look at the schedule of events to say fairwell to mandela. the public will be able to pay their respects to him where he will lie in state for three days. his body will later be transported to his hometown where his funeral burial will take place. >>> the french president is hea
and i think a lot of people are worried about what might come next, and whether the anc canment come back to its base, and come back to the values that he fought for. >> okay, jonah thanks very much for that. >>> while we did speak to people about mandela and what he meant to them after the memorial. >> what i have taken from it is that life is very short, but very long as well, and we need to stay focused, and we need to instill all of these values that he has left with...
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. >> corruption and scandals rampant in the anc political party, and white-owned businesses are in lieu contra-tive partnerships with the investors. the gap between rich and poor is still one of the largest in the world. south africa's struggle would not have been denied by mandela. president obama touched on the human side of the global icon. >> smiling and serene, detached from the tawdry affairs. he resisted such a life. [ cheering ] >> instead, madiba insisted on sharing with us his doubts and spirits. i'm not a saint, he said, unless you think of a saint as a sinner who keeps on trying. ♪ >> joining us to discuss nelson mandela's commitment to reconciliation and the transfer imagination of south africa into a multi racial republic in cape down glenda, director of transformation services at the university of cape town. she was a commissioner on the south africaen commission. and dave stewart, chief of staff to former president declerk. here in our studio, senior scholar at the wilson center in washington, d.c. and author of "chained together: mandela, de clerc." my guests are very
. >> corruption and scandals rampant in the anc political party, and white-owned businesses are in lieu contra-tive partnerships with the investors. the gap between rich and poor is still one of the largest in the world. south africa's struggle would not have been denied by mandela. president obama touched on the human side of the global icon. >> smiling and serene, detached from the tawdry affairs. he resisted such a life. [ cheering ] >> instead, madiba insisted on sharing...
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>> what is very interesting is you were a political opponent of nelson mandela once a member of the anc and once a leader of the abuntu home land. what does this tell you about mandela. >> when he talked to us i don't think he saw in me a leader. i think he saw one of his sons or a neighbor. the relationship between the two of us culminated into a number of issues. i ended up being tasked by him on handling some sensitive issues of him at home and installations of hit his grandsn and weddings and you will see everything is in order there it was a joy to work with him and i always consider myself to have been lucky that i was one of the few in this world who was working closer to this icon. >> now you remember too we are standing outside of his home. those years that this home was filled with tear gas and people were being shot. what role did mandela play in changing that from what it was then to what it is now. >> i think we should com come m from being bold. we walked from his home and then he says stop what you are doing. it's not in the interest of the black south africans that you a
>> what is very interesting is you were a political opponent of nelson mandela once a member of the anc and once a leader of the abuntu home land. what does this tell you about mandela. >> when he talked to us i don't think he saw in me a leader. i think he saw one of his sons or a neighbor. the relationship between the two of us culminated into a number of issues. i ended up being tasked by him on handling some sensitive issues of him at home and installations of hit his grandsn...
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. >> the truth is the anc is la really struggled to fulfill nelson mandela's idealistic vision, school buildings are falling apart and crowding is rife. schools ton bleak cape flat south side cape town is more symbolistic of the system struggling with. activists argued there is a dangerous gap between promise of education and what it actually delivers. schools boast a 70% pass rate. but to graduate students only need 30% on their exams. a third of them won't be literate by the time they leave. >> and the end of the study about 50% of those young people have fallen out of the system. so it also has to do with the curriculum, it has -- also has to do with the kind of training that our teachers had during end today. >> so schools are still struggling with the legacy of apartheid, its burden stubbornly persistent, the burdens of the system much longer than nelson mandela ever imagined. peter gresta, al jazeera, cape town. >> again as mills around the world gathered to remember the man they knew as the father of south africa, honored more for what he didn't do than what he could have done,
. >> the truth is the anc is la really struggled to fulfill nelson mandela's idealistic vision, school buildings are falling apart and crowding is rife. schools ton bleak cape flat south side cape town is more symbolistic of the system struggling with. activists argued there is a dangerous gap between promise of education and what it actually delivers. schools boast a 70% pass rate. but to graduate students only need 30% on their exams. a third of them won't be literate by the time they...
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trying to temper violence between his party and the anc and supporters of the inkata freedom party, who wanted no negotiations with the government that held them down. thousands were killed in black on black fighting. his marriage to winnie mandella, a powerful political force was crumbling. the woman who supported him during incarceration was accused of having affairs and being linked to the murderous violence in south africa. they finally divorced. through it all they led the country to broader democracy and in 1994 nelson mandela voted for himself in a free election. he won and was inaugust rated as the first black president of his country. >> on this day, you took your destiny in your own hands. you decided that nothing could prevent you from exercising your hard-won right to elect a government of your choice. >> he served one term, leading reforms in child health care and education. modernizing infrastructure. and healing. >> his close relationship with leaders like muammar gaddafi and castro drew criticism, he still visited the white houses meeting with three sitting american prop
trying to temper violence between his party and the anc and supporters of the inkata freedom party, who wanted no negotiations with the government that held them down. thousands were killed in black on black fighting. his marriage to winnie mandella, a powerful political force was crumbling. the woman who supported him during incarceration was accused of having affairs and being linked to the murderous violence in south africa. they finally divorced. through it all they led the country to...
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didn't feel that the government and the governments of western europe the at the time supported the anc and the antiapartheid cause joie. >> world leaders coming to pay their respects to nelson mandela, they are the poorest people of south africa whose lives were so impacted by what nelson mandela did. cause. this is the country where 85% of the population, the black population had access to virtually nothing while only a small percentage had access to education and property and wealth. you know in the old days under apartheid blacks couldn't live in the city centers where i am now, they would come in on a daily basis. one of those outsecurities was alexandra township, now fully part of it. just beyond alexandra is the suburb of sandton, probably the richest place on the entire continent, more millionaires in sandton than anywhere else. i went, it wasn't good for 70,000 anyway, but at least double that number live there and some say maybe 3 quarter of a million people live there. there are some houses that the post-apartheid government built, they are small? they have electricity, the s
didn't feel that the government and the governments of western europe the at the time supported the anc and the antiapartheid cause joie. >> world leaders coming to pay their respects to nelson mandela, they are the poorest people of south africa whose lives were so impacted by what nelson mandela did. cause. this is the country where 85% of the population, the black population had access to virtually nothing while only a small percentage had access to education and property and wealth....
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here within south africa membership of the anc, nelson mandela's organization, was a crime. his image was forbidden. his words from absolutely outlawed. even the possession of a coffee cup with his image on it was grounds for imprisonment. for all those years that he was in prison his image was absolutely obliterated. generations of south africans, grew up without knowing what he looked like, without knowing his speech or knowing his words. to know the absolutely joy that gripped the country when he and other african leaders were released from prison. here is somebody that had been spoken about in the quiet. that had been spoken about behind closed doors. anyone with support for him or his organization would mean imprisonment, banishment, and could mean and did mean in many cases, death. to understand the changes within this country one has to go back to that period of time when the person who's death and life is being celebrated at the moment was vilified, and regarded as subversive, regarded as a traitor to this state and many other states, and this shows you how time chan
here within south africa membership of the anc, nelson mandela's organization, was a crime. his image was forbidden. his words from absolutely outlawed. even the possession of a coffee cup with his image on it was grounds for imprisonment. for all those years that he was in prison his image was absolutely obliterated. generations of south africans, grew up without knowing what he looked like, without knowing his speech or knowing his words. to know the absolutely joy that gripped the country...
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the since then the anc has really struggled to fulfill nelson mandela's idealistic mission. overcrowding is rife. schools on the bleak south side capetown are more typical the system is troubled with. >> information technology. >> activists argue, there is a dangerous gap between the promise of education and what it actually delivers. schools boast a 70% pass rate but to graduate students only need 30% of on their exams. a third of them won't be literate by the time they leave. >> about 50% of those young people have fallen out of the system. so irt also has to do with the curriculum. it also has to do with the kind of training that our teachers had during the end today. >> so schools are still struggling with the legacy of apartheid, this generation is bearing the scars of the system much longer than nelson mandela ever imagined. peti gresta, al jazeera, cape town. >> the short list of the world football, surprises el madrid and bril brilliant in 2013, spog 16 goals for club and country. barcelona's are star has won this crown but argentina has been troubled by injury this
the since then the anc has really struggled to fulfill nelson mandela's idealistic mission. overcrowding is rife. schools on the bleak south side capetown are more typical the system is troubled with. >> information technology. >> activists argue, there is a dangerous gap between the promise of education and what it actually delivers. schools boast a 70% pass rate but to graduate students only need 30% of on their exams. a third of them won't be literate by the time they leave....
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let's talk a little bit about where the anc is today. >> i think that anc is at cross roads at the moment and at that time mediva also pushes the anc to that cross road in some ways. we are going for elections next year, in a few months and we are going to have elections. this is a time that in a way which i regard what is happening in south africa is the normal progression of democracy. >> okay, let's actually go >> we are having problems again with our feed from johannesburg, obviously it's a stormy day and wondering if it's effecting our satellite but let's go back to talking about where south africa is today and where it was in the 90s and i want to ask you tony at what point as an african/american did you become conscious of nelson mandela's story? >> i was working here in new york. it was the middle 80s and i was working for entertainment tonight and not in news at the time and i was covering entertainment news for et and the guests and you will remember the great film with kevin klein and about the life and times of steven eco. >> a movement. >> a name that we have not heard much o
let's talk a little bit about where the anc is today. >> i think that anc is at cross roads at the moment and at that time mediva also pushes the anc to that cross road in some ways. we are going for elections next year, in a few months and we are going to have elections. this is a time that in a way which i regard what is happening in south africa is the normal progression of democracy. >> okay, let's actually go >> we are having problems again with our feed from...
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so as a young man nelson mande mandela, founders of the anc, were revolutionaries. it was by any means necessary. i think that they would--we should look at it as a revolutionary. now where he was as an older man, as the president of his country, as someone who bought into this idea of capitalism and cooperation with the west, and how people fared after the turnover in government, this lack of redistribution of wealth that has not occurred in south africa. >> we're going talk about that. but talking about history. your family lived under apartheid in south africa. talk to us what that young mandela meant to south africa at that time. >> i think mandela represented a voice for people to stand up for what was inherently wrong. we cannot have a minority group oppressing. for me he was a political activist who stood up for what he believed in. and made it a point by any means necessary, even if it meant that he died, he would. so for me he was very powerful in being the voice and representing one cause that people could unify and follow. >> you used the word radical and
so as a young man nelson mande mandela, founders of the anc, were revolutionaries. it was by any means necessary. i think that they would--we should look at it as a revolutionary. now where he was as an older man, as the president of his country, as someone who bought into this idea of capitalism and cooperation with the west, and how people fared after the turnover in government, this lack of redistribution of wealth that has not occurred in south africa. >> we're going talk about that....
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every year, and mandela was there, and he was there at that time appointed as the youth leader of the anc, and also as the volunteer and chief of the defiance campaign which had been decided up to -- to start next -- in the following year, in 1952. the people were extremely nervous at the conference, because they were worried that the -- the government or the africanas, the racists would start problems about them having a conference in their midst, in their capitol city, and except for mr. mandela, i photographed him and talked to him and found him terribly relaxed. >> did his personality -- his potential come through to you on -- on film in those early days? >> well, he was terribly self disciplined and calm. and this surprised me in comparison with all of the other leaders, rushing around like chickens and terribly nervous about having serious problems at this conference. and then the second time i photographed him in in 1952 in his office in his law office he was then still working as a lawyer, and he had a law office in johannesberg, and again i asked him -- i was late for an appointm
every year, and mandela was there, and he was there at that time appointed as the youth leader of the anc, and also as the volunteer and chief of the defiance campaign which had been decided up to -- to start next -- in the following year, in 1952. the people were extremely nervous at the conference, because they were worried that the -- the government or the africanas, the racists would start problems about them having a conference in their midst, in their capitol city, and except for mr....
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. >> the anc are having problems. they are not the anc of nelson mandela's scandals. there's corruption scandals, break away parties and they are dealing with a lot of things. poverty. the gap between rich and pure. where you are, standing in the street in sa wetto, examples of this very close to you. >> the street i'm in now is designed for tourists. a lot of money went into the area. they struesed up the place. turists have african meals, music and dance. it's a great way to remember nelson mandela, and for the country to earn money. the way people live here, some conditions are shocking. people don't have running water, electricity. there's huge unemployment here. a large amount of people who are jobless are the youths. they are acting questions to jacob zuma, to the a number of c, what are you doing about it. those are the issues being faced much the biggest thing on people's minds is the corruption scandal. it's alleged jacob zuma used taxpayer money po build his home. it is huge. it has a swimming pool. all sorts of things. south africans are saying, "hang on, w
. >> the anc are having problems. they are not the anc of nelson mandela's scandals. there's corruption scandals, break away parties and they are dealing with a lot of things. poverty. the gap between rich and pure. where you are, standing in the street in sa wetto, examples of this very close to you. >> the street i'm in now is designed for tourists. a lot of money went into the area. they struesed up the place. turists have african meals, music and dance. it's a great way to...